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HAHAHA Dan. I did hated Al Neo. He rPK'ed me when Regs was in good favor with HoS/BRN. he did it twice to me personally. However, I dont think he is smart enough IRL to understand that we were. so i forgave that lil *beep*. 
I did think HoS was crazy lately, expecially Jojji. However after alot of things ive seen of anites latetly that are supposed to be friends. I'm thinking Jojji is a pure genius. 
Ash
Yea HoS tends to use the "you just hate us because you own us" excuse alot. i too dont believe that. i could care less if im owned by anyone. i get along with most, even bloods. so that excuse doesnt fit for my teasing of HoS.
Also ive noted. if anyone disagreed with HoS starting to war everyone they got upset. if thier own clan questioned it, they would say "you are just scared to fight". questioning leaders inst bad. especially when the leaders take a vote to go rPK, lose and then dont have the balls to admit it publicly. however it was a clever disguise to suddenly start a fight with every clan on DT for lil reasons. my favorite was the one they picked with us over the FF stone...you know. the stone Katanji himself was raised at......things that make you go hmmmm....hypocrit?
still 
for my HoS goofs though
When answering that question it depends on who asks. For some people like yourself who are not recent FF conversions they either A. hate the way they fight or B. dont like the leadership. It seems you are A 
For the majority of the server that lives under the anti tag it is because we wont play their rules. HOS is a pain in the a*** to them and they hate it.
I really dont think it is because we "own" anyone. Sure we put up some good group fights and I dont care if you like the guild or not you should admit that. Pretty much the two biggest raiding groups is HOS/BRN and AOW/UD. The antiville population and blood are rarely out and when they do its a marathon. I enjoy fighting AOW because they put up a good fight.
"Bonak still does suck, they fight as much as HoS."
I love you Rayne but I know you are full of baloney =p
Pretty much all of that before my time Rayne, but at least you get the point that Raven missed. Our "assumptions" of Bonak are based on ingame experiences, his "assumptions" of HoS come from reading message boards. At least Rayne is basing his attitude on what he sees ingame.
As for the 1v1, scared, etc Rayne, maybe your experiences are different, but when I'm solo 50% of people (including 126+s) run/recall at the sight of me. 25% call in help and the other 25% fight. I don't go with the "you hate hos coz we ownz you" idea, although I do believe thats true for some people. Most people I believe read the propaganda on the boards, see HoS members doing exactly what 90% of the server does but because they just read it on VN it ratifies what they read and so believe it of HoS and not others. I don't deny its true for some of HoS, but not as much as people make out, and no more than all bar a couple of guilds on DT.
I've run into about 200% more trashtalk since fighting antis than I ever did fighting rpks. Any time its been even numbers above 2 on each time any antis I'm fighting run (eg if its 4v4). Often if they outnumber us they run/recall. Heck take Godfather II out of the equation and I'd say I've had more antis plog/@die etc than rpks on me.
Also a lot of what people see as running is *beep*. Example 1) I recall in to TI with 1 or 2 people camping, they vuln me as I race off east and yell at me to fight. To them I'm scared and running away, in reality theres 3 HoS members fighting 6 targets on the beach and I'm on my way to help out. Example 2) 3 of us chase a blood past the VoD drop where a pile of other bloods (including blood himself) is waiting. They chase after us saying "why come to DT if all you do is run" "all hos does is run!" etc. After we kill the target we were on we turn on them and 5 mins later Blood is all alone and running for the hills. I think the most common one though is when a pack of HoS is chasing someone and it ends up with just one HoS and the person left and as the person turns to fight the HoS turns to run back. When we're a group we fight as a group. Thats what makes us successful. We take out larger numbers by sticking together and splitting our targets up. It does the group no good at all to be off in whoop whoop having a 1v1, your job is back with the group picking off targets. In fact if someone shows a repeat tendency to run off from the group and 1v1 I wont raid with him anymore. I'm more than happy to 1v1 (even 2v1 or worse) when I'm out raiding solo, but when I'm in a group I expect everyone to work as a group, not as individuals.
But back to Bonak, you can talk all you want about "not everyone is like that", "your just seeing the bottom of the barrel" or whatever, but my opinions are based on ingame actions and thats all I'm seeing. Maybe your "good" members are tucked away at the mansion or something, but other than Binky I've not seen a single bonak member worth spitting on.
OK, I admit plenty of us runs. But which guild has no runners? However, when I went raiding with my guildmates, I didn't see runners. I raided with fellow Bonaks many times, even when we were out numbered 2 to 1, most of us fights. As for me, I only run if I am seriously outnumbered (like 3 lvl 126+ vs me) or if I'm carrying like 200k cash. I also know for a fact that P R I M U S S does not run. He is a very leet PVPer from what I've seen. But that is still no excuse for Noob to insult us on an innocent thread.
Tiaya, we have many members, yes. I am not proud of that fact. But it is harder to have 1300 honorable people than 300-400 honorable people. I would join back under Silver in a second if most of my friends are in it. The main and only reason I'm in Bonak is because it is the guild with the most previous reg members and friends. Notice that I was one of the last people to leave silver? It was because I wanted to help out TheRegs as much as possible. Until I saw that there's no point. Mike and Alan left. The only other people that was in it and was active was probably Afflicted and Myrde.
And you know the biggest difference between us and other guilds? We know we aren't the best PvPers and most of us don't act like it. We have a lot to learn, and we are proud of it. But one day, maybe a month, or maybe a year, or two years. We will reach the top. We will scale the biggest mountain, dive the deepest sea, touch the highest star, and surf the toughest waves. And right now, we are on our stepping stone. We will reach it in the end. And may God help us reach our destination, and weed out the bad apples. Amen
